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Extreme-range accuracy loads for Barnes’.50 BMG bullets are listed for Very High Power shooters. Customer accounts of Barnes Bullets’ performance in the hunting field are included. As a bonus, noted gun writers like Craig Boddington, Sam Fadala and Brian Pearce share their expertise in feature articles. Barnes TSX and TTSX's to shootI have been busy loading ammo for a good number of my non rifle looney freinds and relatives with various sizes and weights of Barnes bullets from 224 up to 338 and in each case to start out the loading process I have been loading them REALLY short - using the uppermost band or groove like I would a cannelure in a bullet so equipped and in each case so far these rifles have shot REALLY well. No need after that to mess around with more load development. I load them up with differing amounts of the most likely powder at these really minimal lengths and shoot over a Chrony until we get book max speed or superior accuracy with near top speed with the idea that after we determine a good powder charge we would then play around with the seating depth but so far these shorty rounds shoot so well that all load work is done in one range session. Only 3300 fps instead of the possibility of 3400 at max loads but wow, my work here is done. We will take that one. This is not, in my experience, an anomaly as this has been happening over and over this whole summer so maybe those of you wanting to give these bullets a try should start out loading this way (case neck level with the middle of the top groove) and see how it works for you as a starting place. Good luck! MARK My thinking is this could be a good (addmitedly non scientific) quick and easy way to start out the load developement process and perhaps others here will get similar results and save a bit of time and money. I have some 100 grain 257 bullets and I'll try your method. Some people don't want to believe that. But if you're over age twenty-one, your life is what you're making of it. To change your life, you need to change your priorities. When I tried to shorten the distance to the lands, my groups got larger. So, logic tells me that increasing the distance to lands (or shortening the COL) may well help. Your information seems to agree with what I'm seeing in my rifle. If it's a Roberts, try 46 grains of H-414. It works great in both my Roberts. You might want to start at 44 grains, but this load is a half grain under max in the older barnes book, and the book says it is a 50,000 CUP load. If it's a weatherby, try RL-22, I get aboutl a half an inch with a start of 70.5 aup to my load of 72 grains. Or, Ramshot magnum, I started at 74.5 and stopped at 76. 3550 and.6 inches. If it's a 25,06, I don't have one, can't help.tj3006 I know we talk alot about 'Rifle Loonies' here at the 'Fire, but there are a fair share of 'Re-Load Loonies' as well. When it comes to reloading, from what I've found, the truth of the matter for hunting rifles is - choose an all-around good powder, seat the bullet so it feeds properly, and load away. If it doesn't shoot, I would imagine its more than likely a poor rifle or poor shooter rather than a poor load. I find my 80 TTSX like it the same way - to the top band. My thoughts for now is to go with the 25-06. But. Some people don't want to believe that. To change your life, you need to change your priorities. Here is a load development target from yesterday (Sunday) with my 243 Ackley using 85 grain TSX's and Re19. Notice the long seating depth and the sudden sweet spot at 49 grains. To annoy a liberal, tell him the truth.But I am also noticing that with real short OAL's The accuracy difference from one powder charge to the next is minimal. Maybe no cloverleaf groups, but the guys I am loading for are not going to notice that difference either. I guess what I am saying is that this method will likely give GOOD (Maybe not fantastic, but good) accuracy easily. Also, pressures are low and feeding issues go away. For my own personal rifles, I go to a 'little' more effort That's where it's at. Did you confirm its accuracy by shooting more groups with the same load. Just one three-shot group can always be a fluke. BBerg Did you confirm its accuracy by shooting more groups with the same load. Just one three-shot group can always be a fluke. BBerg I guess more often I am looking for a rugged load. My last development shoots 46, 46.5 and 47 grains of H4350 just about the same.I am no longer trying for the last 25FPS and in a big game hunting rifle if my loads for my own guns are shooting under a 1 inch group consistently I am through spending money on components for it or continueing to wear on the barrel and my body (some of my guns kick kinda hard ) and prefer to use up the components shooting at rocks and varmints for practice and then on game. I might get my rifle looney card revoked for these comments, though. Yes, I certainly would call your results more than adequate but I wonder if it is just a good shooting rifle. I've had some rifles that would shoot a dirt bullet sub-MOA but then others that required everything to be just right. Thanks for the tip Did you confirm its accuracy by shooting more groups with the same load. Just one three-shot group can always be a fluke.To annoy a liberal, tell him the truth.Some shoot much better waaaaay off the riflings while other's flaunt their stuff up close and personal. I do start further off of the riflings than I normally would with these bullets, but if I don't get what I'm looking for, I load 4 more seated a bit shorter and 4 more seated a bit further out. My 25-06 shoots the 100gr. TTSX's much closer to the riflings than where Barnes recommends starting out. In speaking with Barnes recently, they said that my seating depth results have been pretty standard with the 100gr. TTSX in the quarterbore. All said and done, finding the best seating depth for each bullet, rifle, hunter.is still accomplished best by doin' the work. Like it always has. Have a good season. I like the idea of using the top ring, especially for loading for different people, the case should always fit every gun and there is no time spent playing around with length gauges etc One thing to watch out for with the TSX and TTSX bullets is the inconsistency of the location of the bands from lot to lot. I have seen on more than one occasion where this occured with the TSX. When I sent some examples back to Barnes to see if it was a quality control issue or something that could lead to an unsafe load. They replied with a general canned letter response of the bands are there to relieve pressure by reducing bearing surface and that their location on the bullet shank will have no effect on accuracy. I tend to disagree with their statement and feel that their quality control is poor, and that they really dismissed me as a serious handloader and customer. Just be advised to check those groove locations for consistency. It is an inconsistency at the manufacturing level. Either that, or Barnes can't make up it's mind on where to keep the grooves exactly. Their video shows the machine cutting the grooves into the shank of a bullet. Some how that machine is getting set up differently from time to time, or it becomes out of adjustment from use. Anybody ever have a TSX that has more or fewer grooves than before? I was very interested in this thread. The FPS was from 3644 LOW - 3672 HIGH. I believe I touch the lands at 2.483 in this rifle. I am currently seated just about flush with only the first groove showing right now. Suggestions? Maybe for TSX we should start short (in the top groove) and work longer--just about the opposite mentality of kissing the lands and working back. Too many variables to keep track of. You might find that the first load out of the gate is a dandy. Its weird to me how soo many guys like the TSX's kissing, IME they have shot best seated shorter.