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dell optiplex gx280 user manualI've been looking at the specs in different websites, and they all seem to be automatic. Could that be true, or is a manual-shifting vespa a factory option. If manual shifting is only available in older vespas, what year did they go to all automatic. Is Stella my only choice for a manual-shifting new scooter? I think it is safe to say that there is absolutely no chance that Vespa will reintroduce a 2T manual shift scooter in the US. Your choices are the Stella (2T or 4T) or an older classic Vespa such as your P200. The PX150 was sold in the uS as recently as 2005 and low mileage (or even virtually new) scooters can be found. On my GtS300 I see no advantage of shifting. When I ride my motorcycle around town inevitably I end up asking myself why didn't I take the vespa. To me it's just a novelty. It's cool on the vintage scoots and probably fun for the occasional ride down to the meet-up but for every day use I'd take the automatic. One of the reasons why Piaggio probably won't bother re-introducing them here (that and the big emissions pain). But something you should consider: the only shifty vespas around these days are PX. And your P200 is VERY similar to a PX. What this means is that if you got a new PX150, other than electric start and a crappy fuel gauge, you'd probably realize quickly that your P200 was almost the same ride with more horsepower. If the clutch is too strong, you can easily upgrade it to a smoother cosa-style clutch as is used in the newer PX models. You can also upgrade it to disc brakes like the PX, although I would not recommend that unless you feel you really have a need (been there, done that, and it was worth it for me. But it's expensive and a lot of work). So. not quite sure what you are looking for from a new shifty. The P200 you have is a VERY nice machine IMHO. On my GtS300 I see no advantage of shifting. I'd rather be walking. Shiftys rule. The problem is that it's not running as much as it is running.http://www.acaimacunaima.com.br/datamont/userfiles/everstart-battery-monitor-manual.xml
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I was thinking that if I could save up the money, I could get a newish shifting model vespa that would be more reliable (something that I don't have to always park on a hill to insure starting). The reason for wanting a manual shift vespa is that I live in a place with hardly any traffic, and lots of curvy roads. If I lived in a place with stop and go traffic, I would definitely go for an automatic vespa. Thanks for all your input. Brent Seems like the numbers don't add up in favor of buying a castrated new P-series over getting some professional help to fix your old P-series. Just my 2-cents Just my 2-cents Make that 4 cents, with the editing. On my GtS300 I see no advantage of shifting. It's cool on the vintage scoots and probably fun for the occasional ride down to the meet-up but for every day use I'd take the automatic. I own a Stella 4T in an attempt to satisfy my shifting jones on two wheels (although I wish often for a modern shifty Vespa with a more sophisticated manual transmission) and drive a Mini Cooper S with a 6-speed. To me it's fun, not an inconvenience. All Rights Reserved. Now I'm thinking self: we should probably should learn to ride this new toy. I have extensive (2 years) experience riding automatic scooters. Previous Experience with Manual Shifting: -I drove a friend's 1967 Buick GS 400 once, back during the Clinton Administration, but a damn wall got in the way of my progress, and ended what I thought to be a good friendship. -Ah, yes, I did try to ride a '65 Sprint last year, but fell as that bastard was too heavy, too high of the ground, and I was going too slow. Also, I have already downloaded many instructions form various Vespa and scooter websites. Hmm, upon further reflection I think I am looking for comfort. Hold my hand please. Ask one of them to walk you through it in person. The hardest part is learning to let out the clutch when you start moving from a stop. In any other context, I would take a shot to loosen me up.http://bluecrowncapital.com/files/everstart-dual-rate-battery-charger-manual.xml I think I will also sport my wearable camera to capture these great moments. Lawd help me. Why not put your foot down. Judging from your comments about your previous experience trying to shift, you should start slow and with a friend's guidance as the other posters have suggested. Please don't get out in traffic until you can control the bike. It might take one person 10 minutes, it might take another person several weeks or longer. Start the bike up and whilst sitting on it, get a feel for where the clutch biting point is. Let the clutch lever out really gently until you feel the bike start to want to move, then as soon as you feel that, pull the clutch back in. Rock the bike backwards and forwards on the biting point like that a fair few times, until you are familiar with where your bike's biting point is. After that, take short rides around the field or parking lot till you get used to the bike. Set up a serpentine to go round, and as you get used to the course you've laid out, keep offsetting the cones further out. That'll give you an idea of how the bike handles. And keep remembering to let the clutch out slowly, Why not put your foot down. It might take one person 10 minutes, it might take another person several weeks or longer. Small? Hmm. I am 5'2 with a 6'0 personality. My feet did not firmly touch the ground on the Sprint. Taking the advice given, I along with my roaddog, will be at the DMV parking lot, perhaps I will nab some cones from a construction site on the way. I'm guessing about 5-10MPH before the clutch is fully disengaged.I think it'd be awesome if there was some solid notch or something to select gears, but i digress.I'm not saying to keep the throttle cranked, just don't coast too much.I currently only go around my neighborhood and across a main road to a parking lot until I feel that I have the skill to handle traffic.Pebble in a coffee cup, soda cans, chalk marks, pine cones all work just as well Regards, -matt Petersburg Florida Petersburg Florida Since I have had motorcycles and driven many manual transmission cars the concept was easy. I took me a time or 2 to find neutral when I stopped though. I love cruising the VBB now. I blow past my parents house down the street and honk the goofy little horn and my dad laughs all the time. Ill be buzzin around all weekend. Gods Country Gods Country I think it'd be awesome if there was some solid notch or something to select gears, but i digress. Sounds like you might have too much play in your gear cables. I'd make sure they were tight, it might drastically improve your shifting ease. I think it'd be awesome if there was some solid notch or something to select gears, but i digress. I'd make sure they were tight, it might drastically improve your shifting ease.All Rights Reserved. They have a continuously variable transmission (CVT) and a centrifugal clutch. It's what separates us from the animals on the Not so Modern side. Last edited by vintage red matthew on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:14 am; edited 1 time in total All of them. All of them. Yes, but that does nothing to answer the question actually asked by the OP. If anything, it just confuses the question unnecessarily. The OP was asking if modern Vespas are manual shift. They most certainly are not. And I answered the second. And I answered the second. Nope. You answered a question that the OP wasn't actually asking. The same answer was the first thing I thought of I understood it. I would wager that you did too. I would even wager that Der Blechfahrer understood the intent of the question, but preferred smug self-satisfaction at someone else's expense rather than clear communication. I thought the obvious answer was given and added, on the chance that there is more behind this very brief question, perhaps a bet or a dispute with a friend, that the drive train does also include gears. And I didn't mean obscure gears like the bendix or the speedo, because that would have been smug. I told him I didn't know. I have ask a number of people, including my Vespa shop, and no one seems to know. So, how many gears does a modern vespa have? I told him I didn't know. So, how many gears does a modern vespa have. Modern Vespas (and most other scooters made today) have CVT's: Continuously Variable Transmissions.But I think the websit is down because I haven't been able to get on it all morning. If anyone can get on the website let me know. 8) They have a continuously variable transmission (CVT) and a centrifugal clutch. It's what separates us from the animals on the Not so Modern side. Born out of the modernist movement of the last century. It also has gears. Still in production and has outsold any other scooter model Born out of the modernist movement of the last century. It also has gears. That's somewhat subjective. It is clearly an incremental evolution of the classic Vespa line that dates back to 1946.There have only been minor technological advances to the PX motor from the sixties and even they wouldn't be called ground breaking. It's beauty is in its simplicity. I had a MINI Cooper with a CVT and they were notorious for crapping out early. Mine lived to see 110k before it started to go and I dumped it in a hurry as they were no longer making replacement parts, but the majority didn't beat 60k. Last edited by MLPearson79 on Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:08 am; edited 1 time in total I had a MINI Cooper with a CVT and they were notorious for crapping out early. The CVT in a scooter is probably quite a bit different (and quite a bit simpler) than the one in your Mini. It's just two pulleys and a belt. Okay, the pulleys are a little more complicated than that, but not very much. The belt is a definite wear part, though, and should be replaced at regular intervals (the exact figure is, of course, subject to much debate). The variator itself (one of the pulleys) is a bit of a wear part as well, as the aluminum face wears down with use, reducing performance a bit. Same for the rollers behind the variator. If you replace the wear parts when they're worn, it's really a dead-simple bit of machinery. Born out of the modernist movement of the last century. It is clearly an incremental evolution of the classic Vespa line that dates back to 1946.All Rights Reserved. Advantages and disadvantages of either would be very helpful. Thank you It was slow and nowhere near as fun as my LX150. The advantage of a twist and go is just that, the convenience with much more get up and go. I bought the PX the first week of June, and 2 months later, I'm really glad I made the switch. Yes, it's very true the PX doesn't have the out-of-the-box power as an ET or LX, but, for me, the joy of actually driving the PX is so much more than riding the ET. I think that's the key to determine which you would prefer. You can drive the PX150 or you can ride a LX150. The choice is yours and should be based on upon your preferences. I have slowly learned that the power thing isn't much of an issue. I'm not a mechanically-inclined person at all either. Mine is mostly city and there's simply no comparison at the agility and overall safety you gain from an automatic scooter. My brother's Lambretta with manual gears and no mirrors is pretty darned frightening to ride in a city environment. OTOH, my GT automatic lane splits and weaves between traffic like just it was designed to do. I guess it also has to do with how much you're willing to sacrifice safety and effectiveness for the more purist experience of manual gears when you want to go fast. I'm not! It would be nice to have a nice metal bodied PX but if I ever hurt my left hand.I'd be screwed. Hence my choice in buying the LX 150 instead. D Down shifting is a cool. Geared scoots are less complicated and need no oil or oil filter changes or valve adjustments. The kick starter really works and starting with a dead battery is no big deal. You can even push start a geared scoot. I would suggest having both in the garage. It would be nice to have a nice metal bodied PX but if I ever hurt my left hand.I'd be screwed. Hence my choice in buying the LX 150 instead. D nice avatar fella. PS,if pinned down and threatened with spiders,I'd go for the auto. Down shifting is a cool. I would suggest having both in the garage. What he said. I enjoy shifting gears on my motorcycles, too, but not so much on the street. It's a lot of fun in the dirt when I don't have the added distraction of all that traffic and traffic laws. I don't have a whole lot of experience on motorcycles, so I'm sure that has something to do with it, too. I've only had the automatic Vespa for a few days, but it has made my riding on the street waaaaayyyyy more enjoyable. There are three less things to think about now -- the clutch, the shifter, and the foot brake. Plus, I don't have to worry about stalling at a traffic light from letting the clutch out wrong -- something I'm prone to do when I'm nervous or my hands are tired. I do kind of miss the clutch when I am stopped on a hill, though. I'm still getting used to that with the automatic. I do think it is a matter of personal preference, but I am really having a good time with this twist and go stuff. Cheers, Alice I have ridden all three (foot gears, hand gears and auto) and for my money auto suits me. I know its not 'retro' enough for some, but if you want to get somewhere relaxed its the way to go (IMHO). One thing to check on the PX is hand size My partner had troubel changing gear due to her having a small reach. That combined with the fact that she didnt use the scoot every day led her to the auto route. I'm sure whatever you get you will enjoy it. Thanks Simon I like them all. Auto is nice when you're in lots of stop and go traffic, but I rarely am. If you do much riding in parades, it's really ideal. I like the grip shift of scooters a lot. It's very simple, and it's usually quite obvious what gear you're in at all times. Occasionally on a big bike I forget. Then again, I don't have one of my own that I ride enough to have it memorized. Advantages and disadvantages of either would be very helpful.You sure are right about this. I had my first twisty, very steep downhill on my scooter yesterday and it was way different going downhill with an automatic -- no downshifting to slow me down. I had to keep hitting the brakes. I was trying not to ride them, but I would pick up speed very quickly as soon as I let up on them. I didn't know how to avoid using the brakes as much as I did. It was sketchy and I was glad to reach the bottom. Cheers, Alice You sure are right about this. Cheers, Alice On steeper hills (not that there are all that many where I live) I give a little acceleration as I begin the descent. Then the engine does a much better job of helping slow down the scooter, like an engine brake on a truck. Just lessen the throttle and the scooter slows down. Can't say how it would work on a really steep and long hill, though. The same effect doesn't happen if I begin the descent by braking or coasting. This is also discussed here: Now I know exactly what I did wrong. The hill was so steep looking down that it kind of freaked me out and I think I just started coasting down. I'll try it this way the next time and see if the experience is a little less sketchy. Cheers, Alice I have ridden geared Vespas since 1959. I can well recall all the times I have tried to take off quickly and fluffed the first gear change, landing in 3rd instead of 2nd (or worse, somewhere in-between). I have battled with getting into first when the cables are too slack, or the selector is worn. I have travelled home many times stuck in 3rd gear because a cable has snapped. And when the selector cruciform gets worn, changing gear becomes guesswork, and the scooter can slip out of gear with the engine screaming. Getting home with a snapped clutch cable is also fun. You have to push the scooter to get it moving before you crash-change into first, then keep the revs low as you crash-change the rest of the way. But getting back into first when you stop is very difficult without a clutch. My record for pulling a GS150 engine apart to replace the cruciform was 4 hours. But I can replace a GT200 drive belt in about 45 minutes. I am glad to have left all the problems of geared scooters behind me. Now it would be nice to leave all the hassles of tuning a carburettor behind and have fuel injection. Mike I am very pleased to have left all those problems behind me. The clutch cable snapped once. No big deal. It really depends on your personal preference. I wouldn't want a twist and go. I would feel I just sat there and the scoot did all the work. Same thing in cars. My parents owned one car with auto gears. I found it incredibly boring to drive. My opinion. There's less underseat storage space in a px. But it has a BIG glovebox and I usually wear a backpack. No problems there. Now that I have a few years of riding in, I'm happy I have it. My opinion: Purely from a safety issue, there is enough to watch out for on a scooter without having to worry about shifting. It takes more active involvement to ride a scooter than drive a car, and the price for a mistake when riding is potentially much greater than when in a car, too. Choose if for the type or riding you are most likely to be doing. I had visions of long road trips and scootering weekends in my mind. Which I rarely, if ever, get to do. Almost all of my riding involves commuting around and near the city on a variety of road types with a lot of stops signs, red lights, cross traffic, lane changes, and chatting SUV owners driving with one hand with cell phones permanently attached to their ears and sporting blank 100-yard stares. (I could never understand why someone who would lay out the bucks for a car and cellular service would have a problem affording even a cheap earphone from Radio Shack so they could at least chat with both hands on the wheel.) Shifting then, is one less distraction. So, give yourself an honest appraisial of what type of riding conditions you are most likely to be in, and choose which transmission fits your comfort level. But I did not have the option on a GTS. Personally I do not like 2-stroke scooters (sorry retro folks). Too much pollution! I have ridden Stellas and a PX. Now a 400cc GTS manual? Hmmmm. Never stop dreaming. I've driven both, and would now not want to go back to shifting. That being said, my car is a Subaru WRX, and I wouldn't have an automatic version of it. Go figure. Bill If I had the cash Id love to have kept the PX150 for neighborhood driving, but for a commute I like the twist and go(and extra power and features) of the GTS much better. For me, I want to be able to pay as much attention to what's going on around me as possible plus it's the ride I'm after, not the communion with the vehicle. Disclaimer: I've never gotten familiar enough with any shifting vehicle to the point where it became second nature. I'm sure that my mental involvement in making the vehicle go would drop considerably and I'd be able to enjoy the ride.I love my LT-150 its probably the best all around scooter I have, and honestly there is a reason piaggio is currently the only manual scooter left (that comes to america anyhow) now that the indians have gotten out of the clone business, people want automatics and the market will primarily support that. Never underestimate the average person's ignorance, and their desire to stay that way. And are Ferrari's or Lamborgini's even available as automatic. Even my car is manual. Real girls drive sticks Around town you are doing the endless up-down thing like motorcycles- but when you ride a motorcycle you don't get carpal tunnel in your ankle. I don't know- I regreteed automatics before I rode them and now they seem to have made geared scooters anachronistic and that makes me feel older. By the way my new GTS really is astonishing- nostalgia aside it doesn't make me long for my old P200E. Clutching, making sure you are in first gear at the light, constant shifting in heavy stop and go traffic is just a pure pain after awhile. I say Auto is the way to go. It lets you just enjoy the ride more without having to focus attention on gear changing. The Automatic CVT tranny is the best thing that happened to motorcycles. NASCAR uses traditional manual shift gearboxes, but that's not the real reason they're behind the times. They only allow what amounts to a spec engine. 5.8 liters, pushrod, 2 valves per cylinder. Pretty much a motorcycle transmission operated by paddles or buttons. They won't shift gears on their own. Most of them have clutches because automated clutch systems cannot yet provide a proper launch better than a professional racer. Human beings also continue exceed computers in high touch tasks that require processing of multiple sensory experiences. Knowing when to shift is still left to the driver. Launching the car is left to the driver. The mechanics of shifting are handed to a machine. Hardly what I would call an automatic transmission. BTW, F1 cars do not have clutch controls for starting. All the driver does is hit the throttle (more or less, which separates the winners from the losers). I don't know about clutches in other race cars.So I chose the comfortable commute of a GTS over the fun of shifting my PX150. I actually enjoy shifting on my motorcycle though, to me thats second nature, where the PX150 seem more of a chore. This topic will forever be debated though as it solely based on personal preference. Last edited by Rinshu on Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total All Rights Reserved. But, I am well-versed in automatic transmission scooting, and am thinking of getting a manual shifter. How difficult was it for you who did learn, to learn to shift. I'm taking the MSF course starting Friday, so I will be learning to shift a motorcycle then. Just looking for some input. Thanks. I'd never driven a manual car before so this was my first time shifting. A friend came over that evening and walked me through the basics and by the end of the night I was riding all through the neighborhood. The hardest part for me is starting from a dead stop on a steep hill but it just takes practice. I think it will be a fairly easy transition for you from taking the class on a motorcycle to shifting a scooter. It is a lot of fun! Do you have any experience with a manual transmission at all? I am used to manuals, but even if you aren't, it should be no problem. Just be careful going into 1st gear - don't let the throttle go too early! I had never driven a manual scooter until two weeks ago. It's a blast, and quite easy. I have yet to kill it taking off. 10 minutes practice and you'll be riding around. Those were the days. I'd feel a little weird if you didn't. OP: If you can drive a manual transmission, a scooter or MC is similar if not easier - none of that where in the 'H,' or 'H with an extra arm or leg, or two am I,' If you can't there's plenty of practice before they let you pick your feet off the ground at MSF class. I have the option of using an automatic tansmission scooter on the MSF or a manual motorcycle. So, while I don't want to flunk out of the course because I can't shift, I also want to learn to shift. So, I think I'm gonna opt for the motorcycle. Hopefully it's as easy as you all say! Two days later, it was no problem. I still suck at driving manual cars, though. If there are others, what are they? I purchased my first scooter back in 1970, and after that, had a Honda Dream (remember those?), and finally a Honda Silver Wing (the motorcycle kind, not the current scooter kind). All of them were manual transmissions. Every automobile I've ever owned has also been manual (except for one of my current cars, which were never imported with the stick). I'm kind of sad that I can't purchase a manual transmission Vespa today, and will be stuck with an automatic. Have always loved the vehicle control that a manual offers. My truck with almost 300,000 miles has only had two sets of brakes on it, the original ones and one replacement set of pads. Manual transmission vehicles and longevity go together. Instead of using both hands and feet like in a manual transmission car, you only use your hands (if we're talking scooter, not motorcycle). Is the shift on a motorcycle on the handlebars like it is on a scooter. Someone told me it was on the floor, but did they just mean the footbrake? I'm with you there. I HATE stop and go. My hand gets sore after a few minutes. That's why I'm so glad filtering is legal here! Is the shift on a motorcycle on the handlebars like it is on a scooter. Someone told me it was on the floor, but did they just mean the footbrake? Rear brake is right foot. Right lever is front brake. Left lever is clutch. It sounds more complicated than it is: I'm lucky enough to have handlebar and foot shifter scooters, foot shift MC's, and an automatic MC, and it's a pretty natural switch between the shift method. Did anyone else hear the groan and giggles at the bbs when this thread started? I learned how to shift at the MSF course and it was addicting. I'm still wanting to get a MC one day.hopefully before I forget how to do it. Except old Triumphs, which shift with right foot. Rear brake is right foot. Except old Triumphs, which brake with left foot. Except all old Honda Trails, which use a hand brake on the left AND a foot brake on the right, both for the rear brake (no manual clutch, although a 3 speed or 4 speed transmission shifted with the left foot, depending on model). But it soon becomes very natural. BTW, there are still new shifter Vespas at some dealers--you have to look pretty hard, now that scooters are catching on (again) everywhere. Cary Except old Triumphs, which shift with right foot. Truimphs, Indians and Harleys, pre-1970 Husky's, and some current Royal Enfields.What about a suicide clutch - left foot has the clutch. Or the Jockey shift. There was a Clutched Suicide Shifter MC at AmeriVespa with a sidecar. If Tim at www.onelegtim.com can do it There's something a lot more satisfying about changing gear than riding a twist and go. Gear changing is quite straight forward and should take at most 30 mins to get the hang of. Probably the two main down sides will be stalling because you forget to pull in the clutch before stopping, and possibly more dangerous pulling the lefthand brake lever and wondering why you aren't slowing down!!!! Cos it's the clutch. These are minor points but just be aware of them at first because it's easy to forget. Took me a while to figure out why I kept stopping when I tried to pull the clutch in on my GTS For me, it's pretty hard to ride seriously without a shifter. Control of RPM is pretty much mandatory for even the simplest performance riding. For instance, when I sense danger ahead, I like drop a gear so I have the greater acceleration available. Ditto in slowing down to set up for a turn. The downside is city driving a large machine. The clutching and shifting is crazy on the hands. I got home one day from two hours of shopping here in the suburbs and I had tendonitis. This is much harder on the arms than a conventional motor cycle. Shifting a MC is a very jazzy, outer body experience, that finally slips out of conscious into sub-conscious behavior. That's when it is exciting and satisfying. For me, it's pretty hard to ride seriously without a shifter. That's when it is exciting and satisfying. Ug. I have so discovered why I am having issues with corners. After years of not riding anything and previously always riding something with a manual transmission, I think there is a learning curve on cornering with a TnG. Thank you for the revelation.I find answers in the strangest places. Consequently: We have one automatic vehicle in our family and I rarely EVER drive it. There was no clutch or a shifter. Am I the only one? Am I the only one? No, last night I rode our GT for the first time in a long time and had to stop quickly as a light turned red. I tried to stomp hard on a foot brake that wasn't there Am I the only one? No, last night I rode our GT for the first time in a long time and had to stop quickly as a light turned red. I tried to stomp hard on a foot brake that wasn't there You've highlighted exactly why the first 6 months after switching vehicles is when experienced riders crash the most. Someone told me it was on the floor, but did they just mean the footbrake. On the Stella (or Vespa P's) the foot brake is also on the right. The clutch is the left pull-handle, and the front tire brake is the right. The gearing generally goes 1-N-2-3-4 On the scoot, the gearing is the same, except you use the left handle and you roll the whole thing to shift. Forward to shift up, back to shift down. As others have said, if you've successfully driven a manual tranny car, you'll at least have an understanding of when you need to pull the clutch in, and how you need to ease it out while you apply the throttle. You'll get the hang of it in no time. Cheers, Jake Am I the only one? No, last night I rode our GT for the first time in a long time and had to stop quickly as a light turned red.