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e46 330i steptronic vs manualFrom what I've read, it seems to be a good transmission overall and that in sport mode, it's reasonably quick in changing gears. But step owners use the manual shift a couple of times and then just ignore it in the long run. I'm surprised that it seem most used ZHP's are steps, considering this is a performance oriented car. From what I've read, it seems to be a good transmission overall and that in sport mode, it's reasonably quick in changing gears. But step owners use the manual shift a couple of times and then just ignore it in the long run. I'm surprised that it seem most used ZHP's are steps, considering this is a performance oriented car. There was a long thread discussing this a long while back. Hopefully someone can link to it. Nonetheless its a good question. I own a 6mt zhp so I can't say from experience how good the auto trans is for the zhp. But those on this forum that own an auto zhp love them. The shifts are quick and as long as you keep up the maintenance (flushing trans fluid and changing trans fluid filter) it shifts smoothly. Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure that the auto zhp has a slightly different final drive ratio from its manual counterpart. As for performance, the auto and manual are almost identical in 0-60 times and power. Its all preference. Why are there so many more autos for sale than manuals. People that own manual cars are more often than not enthusiasts. They bought a manual because they enjoy driving one and don't see it as a chore. Because of this when the find a manual car they hold onto it for a longer time. That's my explanation. Off the top of my head I know Rando owns an auto with a lot of tasteful mods on his zhp so he should have some sound input. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk The question is what are you using it for. Frankly, the shifts are too slow for me in D or in S (sport) mode.http://acwf-hrtc.com/userfiles/craftsman-air-compressor-3-gallon-manual.xml
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The good think is that if you screw up and shift at the wrong time (too late), or downshift to early, there is really no penalty. It won't let you make a dumb mistake. So, using paddle shift makes the car much more fun to drive, especially if you're stepping (no pun intended:) ) on it. Even then, it's not as quick as I'd like. I'd rather have a manual but there were several reasons that AUTO made sense for this particular car. It's OK as a STEP, because at least you can shift vs.Given a real choice, I'd go MT. Given my reasons (LA Traffic, wife not being able to drive a stick, availability, etc), STEP was the right choice. The STEP technology is better now than it was back then, so this works for what was available at the time. I hope that helps. They even kept trying to sell me SMG M3's for the same price but I wouldn't take anything without 3 pedals. I finally found and bought my car on Oct 30th 2006. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the last 6MT ZHP in the country at that point. I never realized until just recently that S itself was a mode - I never left it on S much since I thought it was just to tell the driver that you're about to enter steptronic mode. I used to abuse the steptronic in a past '05 325Ci. I don't remember it behaving like how it does now when I test-drove it and beat it to see how the internals were. I use Steptronic almost once a day now for short periods of time. I still want to see how an auto compares with a manual. Saw a thread on here a while ago saying that the auto's 3.46 differential makes it faster than the manual, or something along those lines. It frustrates me how slow revs fall when you are flogging the car. DMF may be nice for DD, but I think flywheel is a necessary upgrade if you want to drive the car hard consistently. I had zero complaints about the transmission or driving experience with it. That being said, I love the 6MT and wouldn't go back.http://chiakhoathanhcong.com/cktc/FCKUploadedFiles/craftsman-air-compressor-manual.xml Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk If it weren't for traffic I'd have gone for a 6MT in my car. Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk. I really wanted to learn but I literally don't know anybody who has a manual car. My dad sold his last stick in 1998 (when I was 10) because pushing in a clutch on his 100 mile Bay Area commute was destroying his hip. So, that's how I ended up with a steptronic. So that's also why I don't mind it.:shifty I've yet to autocross my zhp (next week is the first one!!), but I autocrossed my 325 with a steptronic and it was fantastic, shifting it myself. My times were dead in the middle of the pack for all classes, so the tranny never held me back. I drive in full manual mode 100 of the time. I don't like when the auto thinks it should shift. Overall the tranny is a big thumbs up for me. Also, my zhp has a ZF tranny, just for the record. I have nearly 11 years with my MT ZHP and I love it when the time is right. But stop-n-go traffic or typical around town driving, an MT would be better, especially holding a cup of coffee. Just wish it would make sense to have one of each. When I was looking for my BMW it really didn't matter to me if the car I found was Manual or Auto as I can drive both. My wife likes Auto trans better also. I really like having an Auto in traffic and driving while holding a dozen roses in a vase filled with water, LoL. I almost always drive in Sport Mode, it's so much easier to down shift to pass or slow down into turns etc. The best addition to a Step is a Sprint Booster Ver 2 which John and I both have. At the time I was driving an '06 Mercedes C230 (also auto), and the difference in transmissions was mind blowing. The Merc was as slush-box as they get - my dad's Corolla shifts faster. The ZHP's automatic felt fantastic - the car revved fast, shifted fast, and was smooth. Hit the gas and the car goes, next to no delays. It was very similar to the 6MT ZHP I had prior to the Merc.http://superbia.lgbt/flotaganis/1653010568 I've got a 6MT again as I still prefer to row my own gears, but have to say that a BMW automatic is the only automatic I'd ever drive. I preferred to drive in manual mode most the time anyways. Ask JohnRando, he did his ZHP. I think we have a thread in the DIY. Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk. Of the 3 I hate to say it but the ZHP is the worst of the 3 when driving aggressive, but still within legal legal limits of course:). I have not serviced the transmission in the month or so I have owned the car but it does hold the revs high after flogging and for some reason I can't quite put my finger on, it doesn't feel quite as in tune with the engine like the other two BMW's I've had. I'm planning on some maintenance In the coming weeks to include a trans flush so maybe that will help but will also seriously consider the Dinan tune in the future. It is rather simple. You can of course source the parts used if you find someone parting out. You have to get an M3 SMG clock spring, and M3 SMG steering wheel with the paddles (I changed my paddles out), and the wiring harness (that you can make). See the DIY posted. Happy to provide more detailed input if necessary. Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2. How do you clear the Trans adaptations. My tranny occasionally holds the gear on hard acceleration and won't shift until I let off the gas. My tranny occasionally holds the gear on hard acceleration and won't shift until I let off the gas. Via software, but I don't know the specifics. Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk My tranny occasionally holds the gear on hard acceleration and won't shift until I let off the gas. On our X5 the adaptation can be reset. Key in position 2 Fully depress the gas pedal Hold for 25 seconds Start car Can't hurt to try it on an E46 So after you hold the pedal for 25 seconds do you let off before starting? So after you hold the pedal for 25 seconds do you let off before starting. I do but not sure if it matters.http://goldenstateav.com/images/canon-powershot-g5-manual-portugues.pdf On the X5 the difference is pretty substantial after getting stuck in traffic and being forced to drive it slow. No way a ZHP auto will function like the newer units. I prefer manual trans for control and speed of gear changes. The new BMW autos change gears amazingly fast. But they still don't give you total control. I'm not sure if that can or can not be fixed through software. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Because the universe wishes to torment me. A couple of weeks ago there were something like 18 ZHPs listed for sale on Autotrader within 500 miles of me.That's just cruel. A couple of weeks ago there were something like 18 ZHPs listed for sale on Autotrader within 500 miles of me.That's just cruel. Hang tough. The right car will show itself. Thumbs, iPhone, Tapatalk. The right car will show itself. I know, it's just frustrating how few 6mts show up on the market. Especially since the manual gearbox in these cars is simply a delight. I can't even begin to express how much cleaner it is than the 6mt I've got in my '03 GLI. Sigh. That transmission was quite a bit more responsive than the 5-speed step in my 2005 e46. I may try the Eurocharged tune - I believe that also changes the step tuning. Would love to hear any comments on that. I sore an f30 with an 8 speed.I already had an AA tune or I would have gone with them. Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2 I think we have a thread in the DIY. It is rather simple. Oh, yeah, I guess I'm simple to have forgotten that! I'm sure it's been mentioned but with the step you also get the archaic clutch driven fan which I find to be really noisy. Untill you Delete it. One of the best mods I did. Link is in my sig below. I've noticed a lot of them are listed as Steptronic transmission, so did a bit of Googling and from what I understand of it, it's an auto that can be used like a sequential manual. Is that correct? Does anybody have any experience of it. Is it any good? Does it shift instantly when you tell it to. Does it override the driver when in Steptronic and do its own thing. Cheers for any help folks It does grate sometime changing every 5 seconds in the manual. They are apparently quite sapping on the fuel though - I've read tales of 10mpg or so less than the manuals. The auto suited the car great, just got in and drove.Only thing the auto box of this generation is a bit fragile, a lot have been replaced or had issues. I'd probably buy a manual. When in normal 'D' mode they're exceptionally smooth albeit not particularly responsive. Slam it over to 'S' and the box will change gears a bit quicker, but nowhere near as quick as a manual box, however it'll also hold onto gears longer for more 'spirited' driving. Now when in 'S' you can push up or down on the stick to choose the gears yourself, though the box isn't stupid and will stop a change if it's going to damage the engine and will change up if you're about to hit the redline. To be honest, it's that good I seldom use the manual function.I'll often pop it into Sport mode if the roads are twisty, so it holds the gears longer, but I seldom feel the need to play with the gears myself (I have a weekend toy for that). Try one, I bet you like it. Is the Steptronic a 6 speed? The gearbox is just an auto that lets you change gears when you want, nothing special but works well enough. If you like autos, get one, the 330d and Steptronic make a happy marriage. I'd stick it out for a manual, personally. Edited by Seb d on Thursday 10th January 14:57 Not keen on losing a gear to be honest. Perfect marriage of bits; could either be a lazy auto, sporty auto or quasi-manual when you wanted to play. Small penalty on mpg, I understand - mine averaged about 39mpg overall.The auto is very good but we got 25-30 mpg around town whereas the the manual got at least 35-40. In terms of strength, our last auto one was mapped and coped very well with the extra power so much so you never needed to flick it across to Sport, we did have one that suffered a gearbox failure but oddly that was the one that was the slowest out of all of them when we got it, so I guess its just luck of the draw Tell me more of this clutch less twin clutch gearbox. Sounds a marvel. Isn't a semi auto a normal manual box that has electronics and hydraulics operating it? You'll just end up leaving it in S. Yes it's a good box, a little dim witted in Drive, but sport mode is fun. As said above, I doubt you'll need the full manual override but it is there. Ratios are fairly well spaced, though a big gap between 2nd and 3rd I think. Very relaxed in 5th on the motorway. A diesel even more so. Think my petrol pulls around 2300 rpm at 70mph. Only thing I would comment on is that the diesel suffers moreso from a lack of smoothness than the petrol does when the engine is cold. To be expected though really. Only thing I would comment on is that the diesel suffers moreso from a lack of smoothness than the petrol does when the engine is cold. To be expected though really. The diesel and petrol boxes are different, the diesel uses a GM box and the petrol uses as a ZF5HP19. The GM box is known to be problematic if you remap a 330d as IIRC it's rated maxmimum torque output is something stupid like 20nm above stock. Sounds a marvel. If you want to be pedantic, a manual box without a clutch pedal. Freeport, NY 11520 Freeport, NY 11520 Sure, a manual gearbox offers more control under those conditions when you need it, but an automatic gives you the flexibility of letting the car decide the shift times when necessary—like during your morning commute. That’s because this “manu-matic” gearbox offers the best of both worlds; a manual-shifting experience when you want it, and a multi-drive mode automatic when the situation calls for it. The newest generation of Steptronic transmissions is both incredibly flexible and incredibly quick-shifting. They offer a tremendous range of performance options, depending on the drive mode selected and the driving style you choose. You now have full control over what gears you’ll be driving in—up to a point. The Steptronic transmission is smart enough to not let you rev too far into the red zone, or to downshift into an unsafe gear. In Comfort and Eco drive modes, the shift points will be lower than they would be in Sport mode. This highly advanced transmission system has been designed to give drivers the most flexibility possible, without detracting from the driving experience. After all, choosing a BMW is about performance and the Ultimate Driving Machine. Other transmission choices are of course a fully manual transmission and a sport automatic—either standard or as an option on many models. If you are interested in seeing whether the BMW you are interested in has the Steptronic transmission available, head on over to the BMW website and build your model using the Build Your Own tool. We think you’ll be very pleasantly surprised. To start viewing messages,This dealership seems to have some communication issues. At any rate, they're offering me a great deal on a nearly fully loaded steptronic model. I've never owned a steptronic car before. Will I miss the manual or is the manual transmission mode (on the steptronic) good enough. Does it override your decisions on manual mode. Is the speed difference significant?I have two completely identically optioned out E46 323Ci's, except one is steptronic and one is a manual. I drive the manual and my wife drives the step. I've had numerous chances to drive both cars back to back and let me give you my frank opinion: Driving the step is like having 2 cylinders lopped off of your car. It's that bad. Sure, if it's the only car you'll ever drive and you don't have an opportunity to compare it to the 6 speed, EVER, then you'll probably never realize that you're car is neutered.Please try again later. It is not a great feature because it does not react immediatly. It accounts for driver error. It also won't let you switch from 1st to second but will allow you to in every other gear. A lot of people think it is the same thing as the F1 type paddles in Ferraris and the New M series but it's not steptronic is just a form of automatic trans.What kills acceleration and fun-factor the most is the drop in wheel-torque. The torque converter in the automatics robs you of precious torque, and you can feel that. I'd say hold out for the 6-speed.Also, the steptronic system has an inherent gooey-ness to it, like almost all (with the exception of porsche's tipronic, perhaps) driver-controlled automatic boxes. The shift delay is noticeable and terrible as well. It just. lacks. SteveBut some people prefer the tiptronicI shifted it for 3 seconds, until the thrill wore off. Then I just left it in drive. Get a manual if possible.It is comparable to changing the gears on a normal automatic tranny between 1 and 2. If you are buying the car primarily for performance I would say hold out for a standard, but if your buying the car for everyday use and just want to have a quick car the auto is fine. The auto 330 is no slouch. I traded a 1.8t A4 5spd in for my 330ci auto and I would say the 330 seems much quicker. I don't really miss the shifting too much and like the idea of not having to shift in traffic jams, but then again its for everyday use. The RWD's are quicker if you are looking just for the performance. Good luck with your purchase.The torque converter in the automatics robs you of precious torque, and you can feel that. Usually, the torque converter gives you a higher deliverable mulitplication of torque because it will allow the engine to come up into band better. I would have thought it was the relative slippage that is the real issue here.I had test drives in both the 6 and the step versions of the 330xi, and while the 6 did definitely feel faster, the step wasn't horrible. I did like that the manual mode would let me nearly redline it before forcing a change and the speed, even in the sport mode, didn't feel all that different than the manual. I'm not really a racer anyways. Its certainly faster than the '01 6 speed Miata which I traded in for this car. And with the 30 mile commute of mine, which often involves some congestion, maybe getting the auto was for the best. Thanks for the answers and advice.Dumb ass - you drive a fucking automatic. SMG is another thing, but STEPTRONIC is garbage.So, I think I know the difference between an automatic and a manual, especially when I had such extremes for comparison. After coming from the Miata, the gear changing lag is starting to get on my nerves, but since the rest of the car is really great and I had a few grand knocked off of the price, I can put up with it. SMG would have been a great option, if it had been available for the 3 series. Has anyone had a chance to drive the BMW version of it. I've seen great reviews of the Audi TT equipped with it.Hey, I can shift gears in my friend's pick-up truck, too. Sure it's got an automatic transmission but I can always shift gears myself. Go for what you like, but don't confuse manual mode steptronic for anything but an automatic transmission, complete with power loss and hesitation.Yeah, I've already experienced the hesitation (which drives me a bit batty). I still contend its a very different beast than my old automatic, at least in my experience. Not that a comparison between a '96 Saturn and a '03 330 would be of any use to anyone, but still, very different transmissions. The Saturn would never have let me puch the car as hard as the steptronic does. No, its not nearly as good as the manual, but it is, in my eyes, a great improvement from any other automatic I've ever driven. Compromises are painful at times.If it's a family car I'd go for an avant.Usually an automatic will sap from 20-30 of an engine's power and a good manual saps between 10-15, that's why you'll see dyno charts showing HP numbers significantly lower than what the factory quotes. Trust me, if you have a chance to drive two identical cars back to back, one with automatic transmission an one with manual, you will NEVER buy an automatic if you've even got an inkling of car enthusiast blood in you.The manual is much more fun, and will give you much more power. I drove a step a few times, and I don't know why anyone would buy one if they know how to drive a stick. FrankHas anyone had a chance to drive the BMW version of it. I've seen great reviews of the Audi TT equipped with it. I can't really describe how it works, but essentially it preps the next gear (or something) for use, and then swaps them over.In fact, I can't remember any engine or tranni swaps (save the harage M5 beast a likewise speedshop monsters) on the E46. I'd like to see you do such a thing! SteveSounds like a fun project. Sounds like a fun project. Don't know what that could handle. I am not opposed to SMG at all, but I think you would enjoy you sc kit a lot more if you saw as much power as you could from it - and could directly control the application of power. ASA looks like a sweet kit to me. So does the AA.Digital Point modules: Sphinx-based search. The automobile-catalog.com website is only for the on-line view using the internet browser. The commercial copying, redistribution, use or publication by you of any such matters or any part of this site is strictly prohibited. You do not acquire ownership rights to any content, document or other materials viewed through the site. Reproduction of part or all of the contents of this web-site in any form is prohibited and may not be recopied and shared with a third party. 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Use this mode if you are planning to accelerate fast from a stop light or about to use a freeway on ramp. While in DS mode, the transmission will stay in each gear longer to give the driver optimum performance. Move the transmission knob down. This is Mode 3 of 3 on this transmission. When you move the knob down, the transmission will shift into a higher gear. Move the knob up, and the transmission will shift into a lower gear. The BMW also has paddle shifters located on the steering wheel. The right paddle is for the upshift and the left paddle is for the downshift. When shifting using M mode, you do not lift your foot off the gas. Likewise, if you accidentally do something that could damage the transmission, the computer will take over to preserve the transmission. When using M mode, make sure to use the transmission as you would a real manual. If you slow down, you need to downshift. If you do not downshift, the transmission will downshift to the appropriate gear for you. However, the transmission will not automatically upshift for you. About the Author This article was written by the It Still Works team, copy edited and fact checked through a multi-point auditing system, in efforts to ensure our readers only receive the best information. To submit your questions or ideas, or to simply learn more about It Still Works, contact us. How to Remove the Transmission in a GMC. What Is the Mitsubishi Sportronic. How to Use Overdrive to Save Gas Mileage How to Drive Uphill With a Manual. What Is a DuaLogic Transmission. How to Change the Transmission Fluid in. The biggest selling Bavarian has to maintain an edge in performance, looks and less tangible factors such as character if it is to continue setting the compact luxury standard against such illustrious rivals as Mercedes-Benz. It's bigger in all the vital measures than the E46 it replaces, but it manages the neat trick of being no heavier. Perhaps even more impressively, the 3-Series incorporates elements of the somewhat divisive styling philosophy without really offending. There's no complaints, no harshness, just a guttural bark from the exhaust that winds ever-higher once you crest 4000 rpm. The only quibble is it changes gears for you in Steptronic semi-manual mode, but this is such a good gearbox you rarely need to move the lever anyway. You could drive it quietly around the city and suburbs throughout its life and never fully realise just how good it is. Around town the 330i can seem a bit leaden and lumpen, its steering a bit dead and its low-profile tyres banging and crashing on rougher surfaces, souring both the ride and cabin ambience. There's a full suite of electronic handling aids led by the latest dynamic stability control system to help when necessary, but with adept and subtle tuning that is rarely intrusive. Yes, it's another iDrive rant, but this time for taking up the limited stowage space. There are simply not enough places to put things in a 3-Series cabin. The skinny little door pockets and tiny glovebox are hopeless. The steering wheel feels cheap and has only manual adjustment, trim quality varies too much, cupholders graunch rather than pop from the dash and five blanks in a row of six switches on the centre console is, well, cheap.But we'd like a spare tyre too, thanks. An increase in boot space by 20 litres over E46 just doesn't seem enough compensation. If we all drove to work along the Great Ocean Road there would be no better choice. It just may be that this uneven combination works against the BMW over time, allowing a better all-rounder to usurp its crown. For now though, the 330i still sets the driving standard. Read about our Security Policy Policy. When you slide into the driver’s seat of a pre-owned BMW 3 Series at Autos of Dallas, it is important to know what makes your BMW tick. Equipped with the eight-speed STEPTRONIC Sport Automatic Transmission, you will have Sport and Manual Modes in your arsenal to upgrade performance. When activated, Sport Mode will sharpen performance with faster gearshifts at higher RPM rates and Manual Mode will allow you to shift gears at your own pace with the central gear shifter or steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Learn how to use the BMW 3 Series Sport Mode feature with this quick how-to guide before you visit the Autos of Dallas inventory to find your dream car. Pinging is currently not allowed. The body styles of the range are:The M3 was introduced in late 2000 and was produced in coupe and convertible body styles only.It was available in coupe and convertible body styles.As with most M engines, the S54 has 6 individual throttle bodies, in this case electronically operated ( drive-by-wire throttle ).The car was lowered further than a standard M3 and featured additional strut braces between the firewall and strut towers as well as between the right shock towers. The redesigned front and rear fascias and the rear wing optimised aerodynamics.Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. ( August 2017 ) ( Learn how and when to remove this template message ) By mid-2020, Spec E46 had become one of BMW CCA's three largest racing classes.Retrieved 12 April 2017. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. With quite competitive pricing points, big car feel in and out and excellent driving dynamics, the BMW 3 Series is a popular choice for those looking for a mid-size luxury saloon. Here’s our comprehensive overview of what all changes and additions are there in the all-new model. However, with great attention to detail and enhancements in the overall design, it definitely looks much fresher and appealing than before.